I just came across an article in the New York Post where the victim’s families of Sammy Gravano are now trying to say that Karen broke the law when she fired a gun at the shooting range in the Poconos. They want an investigation done by Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Philadelphia Field Division, who have not yet opened a case.
This comes across to me as more harassment. Where and when does it end? Karen herself has said many times that she sympathizes with the families of her father’s victims. During his time with the mob, Sammy admitted to being involved in 19 murders. Karen’s own family suffered the loss of her uncle due to the lifestyle. She understands their pain. Many, if not all, of the victims were involved in the lifestyle and knew the possible consequences that went along with doing business in or with the mob. That was their choice, not Karen’s. It was her father who was involved in the murders, not Karen. They want Karen to pay for her father’s sins. They want Karen to pay for the decisions their own family members made when they chose to get involved with the mob? They protested her return to Staten Island. They protested her being cast on the show. They protested her right to write her story in her book, Mob Daughter. They wanted to claim the profits from her best selling book. Now they want her criminally investigated for shooting a firearm at a target, at a shooting range, which was a scene for the show.
I am still trying to understand how Karen is to blame for any of their loss and pain. She didn't ask to be born, she didn't give her father instructions on how to live his life. She didn't participate in any of the murders. What exactly is she guilty of? If I am frustrated by it all I can only imagine how Karen must feel. I decided to call Karen and see what she had to say about, what I consider to be, continual harassment.
Karen was already aware of the article when I mentioned it. Karen says that she has been trying to shed light on what happened in the past by writing her book. She has been working to change all the negative aspects in her life to positive ones. She is focused on changing her life and has made some mistakes which she acknowledges in her book. She has said many times she does not condone murder, all murder is wrong. The victim's families only want to blame her father for what happened, but the truth of the matter is that their family members were involved with Sammy and/or the mob and they knew the risks they were taking. She feels the families are blaming her for being Sammy's daughter and for being successful. They also have books that they have wanted to get published, but weren't able to get book deals. If they feel they can tell their stories, why shouldn't she be able to tell hers? They are constantly trying to discredit her, and her name, every opportunity they get. Karen says she put all of it out there already. At one point in her life she says she felt like a victim, but now she considers herself a survivor.
I hope the victims families find a way to get closure and move beyond what happened in the past. Karen is in no way responsible for what happened to their family members. They should go on with their lives and let her go on with hers.
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i guess this is the price you pay when you put yourself out there like that. she says that she sympathizes with the victims families but she is proud of this life she came from. thats probably why they are so mad. its true that the victims knew what they were getting into, but they are dead and sammy is still alive!! i have to say that i did feel that it was a little bit in poor taste for her to be shooting a gun on tv when her father is a known murderer.
She committed multiple felonies and glorifies murder, a relief of your civil disabilities in Arizona would only be in Arizona, not Pennsylvania. There have been no federal reliefs granted since the early 1990s. She blatantly and obviously broke both state and federal law by not just possessing that gun but also by firing it. I'm also curious if her firing it in a residential area adds another crime to this. It was obviously not in a shooting range. Miss Gravano, hire a very good attorney who is licensed in federal law and can practice in Pennsylvania, you will need it.
Just keep on keeping on Karen!
Karen shooting a gun has nothing to do with the people wanting her to pay for something she had nothing to do with. Her father already admitted to the crimes. All these "victims" had a chance to write about thier own lives way before Karen wrote her book. It is sad that the victims have to work hard these days.
Oh please! I love how it's okay for someone who married a Gambino capo to hawk a book and then say stupid things like "Genes are inherited." Right, she's bad because of her genes, but someone who knowingly marries a violent criminal shows tons of character and is a role model who should sit in judgment of genetics. Lol Bottom line, her relationship with her father is nobody's business. She doesn't condone his crimes, but he's her father. It's complicated. And it's between her, her dad, and her therapist. He's in prison, he's paying for some of his crimes, and their relationship isn't dictated by the victims. If it bothers them so much, they shouldn't watch. She didn't kill anyone and she's got a right to do her thing and process it all in a way that makes sense for her and her life.
had it been the victims were alive today, wouldnt they be doing time for the crimes they commited and situations would be the same.
What her father did has norhing to do with her!! She shouldn't stop living her life nor put her life on hold for anyone or their opinions. She has done wrong to be judged this way! She is a beautiful person & is human. Her fathers mistake isn't her's, so if your so quick to point, point on your own life!
We can either choose.to be a victim...or a suvivor.murder is wrong.anyway you look at it.what does her shooting a gun have to do with.their families being killd?that was sammy.not karen.you can't hold her feet to the fire and make her pay for all her fathers sins.let the woman be for God sakes.you must not feel that bad.the others the same if you watching the show mobwives..my ol man did 36 yrs.in the penn.we are all diffrent.he always said I have never done anything.that I would be ashamed of.that doesn't make him proud.that's part of who he is.you can't take that away from him.
So wat if she was shooting its not like she was shooting somebody n yes she should b proud of where she came 4m n she's learned 4m it n she is who she is 4m it!! IDC Karen is da shit n she was strong enough 2 face nething that came n that is still comin her way...I applaud her!!
HERE HOPING TO MAKE CLARIFICATION OF SOME OF THESE SO CALLED FALSE RUMORS AND INUENDOS PLACED ON SALVATORE "SAMMY THE BULL' GRAVANO...AND ONLY KAREN WOULD KNOW THIS HER FATHER WENT TO P.S.186..AND GOT LEFT BACK IN THE 4TH GRADE..BECAUSE HE WAS A 'SLOW LEARNER..BENSONHURST was his turf, he knew the street as a Kid...and as far as the wife Linda Milito...your accusing the wrong man ..for your Husband LOUIE MILITO's murder...Louie was Whacked by JOHN CARNEGLIA..and JOE WATTS got rid of the Body...FRANKIE DICICCO ordered the Hit on Louie Milito cause Sammy was friends with Louie for a Long time...and of course JOHN GOTTI did'nt like Louie cause he was sucking up to PAUL CASTELLANO...Sammy was Playing a game of Cards at the time when JOHN CARNEGLIA shot Louie in the back of the head , then when Louie went down facing up..JOHN shot him again under the Chin for the Kill shot...and then he was put in Johns Carneglias car .with two Lookouts on the street ..and Joe Watts got rid of LOUIES body..SAMMY DID NOT KILL the KID...lets Set the BOOKS STRAIGHT capisce
Well said!!
why can't you guys just hop off her shit and leave her alone she's aloud To go to a shooting.range and.shoot a gun that's not illegal is everyone retatrted or something? she was born in.the lifestyle granted her father did many bad things but he has been in jail suffering for it for a long time she has nothing to do with her fathers actions he is his own man she does not control him therefore cannot control the outcome of what he does or did you all need to just shut the fuck up and let her live her life she's a human being like everyone else I'd tell Karen to go to the gun range once a week to get her skills mastered for all you haters!
Once again, This just goes to prove that Karen is THE MOST CREDIBLE on MOB WIVES.. Everyone else is either connected to just a criminal, or a low level mobster.. Karen is the REAL DEAL.. The only thing better would be Victoria Gotti.. Now that would be a show... Victoria, Karen, Renee, Drita Ramona, and Big Ang...sorry Carla but your so irrelevant.. YOU NEED TO BE REPLACED
unless Karen is a felon then there is no reason why she cant shoot a gun for target practice. and people its for ratings drama etc come on now get with it.. it keeps you hooked and commenting and watching.
I think everyone should leave karen alone, sometimes i dont like the things she does but thats HER father. Think about it this way: ehat uf that was YOUR father. You would stand by his side and have to accept what he has done. I understand the victims families pain, but Karen is just saying the truth & really didn't do anything wrong. & if you think she did have something to do with it.. imagine a 6 -8 year old with a gun! That's not even possible. So leave her alone, let her live her life. Also its not like shes doing whay her father did. She is making a change in her life, but with ediots hating on her its difficult. I Love Karen!
The "victims" chose the lifestyle. When one joins the lifestyle they know it involves crime, incarceration & possible death.
I'm sorry for their loved ones suffering. However, the "victims" knew the deal. They knew one day their families may be the ones mourning their deaths. They made the decision. Salvatore Gravano was wrong for killing anyone. Unlike the "victims" and Mr. Gravano, Karen Gravano did NOT make a choice to be a part of the lifestyle. She has a right to tell her life story & profit from it. The families have a right to share their life stories too. I think it's illogical for them to think they should profit off of Mob Daughter. Did they not receive the profits from Sammy's book? Which by the way I think was very appropriate.
I agree that they should lay off Karen and she is NOT responsible for her father's crimes.
I think the angle they are coming from is a felon shooting a firearm. To my knowledge, that is illegal. Wasn't she convicted of a felony for drugs? I thought she was but I'm not 100% sure.
That woman in the Post is so full of it. She pretends she's so against the Mafia, but she had no problem with anything her husband did. She has a section on her website "Mafia Wife Recipes" and she's always bragging and trying to make $$$$$ off his "confessions" like how he supposedly killed Hoffa. If she believes in genetics, she shouldn't have had kids with him. Hoffa's kids should be harassing them, by her logic. Her only problem with any of it is her husband was killed, which she's entitled but it's so hypocritical to pretend It's about moral outrage and opposition to organized crime. She's just pissed and picking on an easy target.
SO WELL SAID ANONYMOUS ....KAREN IS LIVING HER LIFE AND ALL THE HATERS NEED TO BACK OFF AND GET ON WITH THERE'S...
KAREN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LOVED YOUR BOOK....ALL OF YOUR FANS LOVE YOU!!
RIGHT ON!!!
Talk about reading comprehension problems. Do any of you ever know full well what you are talking about? Karen was on probation for being a convicted felon herself. Read the story again. Karen herself talks about her own probation. Or have you all forgotten about her skel family getting a chance in the Witness Protection Program and blowing that opportunity because they made selling Ecstasy a family business?
Karen is a grown woman, she can shoot a gun if she wants. I dont think it has anything to do with anyone else. I think that she understands where the victoms are coming from, she has lossed alot herself.. these ppl want MONEY that is it.. so how is that fair... Write your own book.. quit trying to get a hand out... I love you karen!! Ill always have your back!!
Helen maybe your memory doesn't serve you as well as you think. Sammy was the only one offer witness protection and he left of his own volition after about six months and moved to Arizona.
Karen got involved with the ecstasy ring was tried, convicted and sentenced. Served her punishment and her probation ended in 2003. She has admitted to and paid for her mistakes. She has an opportunity to be successful and took advantage of it. They should leave her alone already.
Du-uh. Of course Sammy was the one "offered witness protection." That doesn't change the FACT that the ENTIRE family relocated to Arizona with him. Where of course they took the opportunity to start over and become fine, upstanding citizens.
The ENTIRE family did not relocate with Mr. Gravano. Karen stayed behind. Years later she moved to Arizona. Thank you for continuing to read & have a wonderful day!
I understand Karen shouldn't be faulted for the sins her Father has committed. But let's not forget the very important fact that she IS profiting off someone else's pain and her Father's sins by writing this book. Also, her currect BF IS still involved with this life! So how can she act so innocent? She is far from innocent and most likely still has ties to this lifestyle.
Yo, "Mob Mistress,"
If the truth won't make your head hurt, I refer you to page 34 of, "A Mob Story" by Michele R. McPhee, a former NY Daily News Bureau Chief.
To wit: "Gravano had occupied a tidy brick house in the aptly named neighborhood of Bulls Head before the government moved him and his family to Phoenix with the new name of Jimmy Moran and gave him a new business, Brooklyn Bagels."
As I said, they were afforded, with taxpayer money no less, the opportunity to start over. We know what they did with it.
Karen did not go to Arizona with her family and relocate with them or take an assumed name.
Mob Mistress
You keep telling yourself that.
And you keep reading us *wink wink*
Mob Mistress
Hey. Somebody's gotta keep you honest.
Don't flatter yourself, you have no influence on my honesty.
If one member of the family stays behind, the family does not stop being a family. Karen Gravano did not go into witness protection. I'm familiar with McPhee works. I've never read anything stating Karen went with her family initially. The fact is she did not go to Arizona until later.
You may want to get your facts straight.
I would not consider the individuals killed by her father victims. A victim is on the receiving end of something unwarranted and unforeseen. The men knew what they were getting involved in and the consequences of their chosen lifestyle. When a BRAVE soldier is killed in action defending our rights he is considered a casualty of war. I view these men as nothing more then casualty of the lifestyle they chose to represent. Consider what her father did as controlling the overcrowding of the prison population. The deceased men were destined to go there. Karen Gravano is not responsible for her fathers actions or choices. She only has to own her own. This is a copy of what I posted on Page 6 comments. I would like to include that genetics has no relevance whats so ever.There is an Arsonist in my daughters family, does that mean she should not be permitted to use matches or a lighter.Trayvon Martin is the perfect example of an innocent victim not the men who were killed by the lifestyle choice they made.
Keep telling yourself that. If PA is going to prosecute out-of-state residents who've had their rights restored for visiting a licensed gun range on a 3 day vacation in their state, they might as well go door-to-door collecting tax money and then burn it all in a huge bonfire while laughing. But I'm sure the Feds will be all over a non-violent offender who was sentenced to probation and had her rights restored. Except they've got their hands full cracking down on unauthorized lemonade stands violating the interstate commerce clause.
Karen Archer (above) says it best and most complete and most understanding... very clear! To the point! Love it! You go Karen Grevano! Love you and your book!
I happen to like Karen on the show, however it does seem a bit hypocritical to boast the she is Sammy the Bulls daughter and say things like, "You better check my blood line b**** cause I'm coming for you", and then turn around and say she doesn't condone any of her father's crimes. She is on a national TV show profitting from her status as Sammy's daughter, she knew what was coming. Her father killed people and ratted to get off. Writing a book and profiting from her story is great for her, however she should probably get used to the criticism as she is now in a very public spotlight and unfortunately for her not everyone is a fan of criminals that are violent, and bully business owners out of their hard earned money for "protection" aka the protectors not killing, harming, or destroing their business. Let's not forget murder. Yes it is her story, yes she has the right to tell it, but people have the right to not like that she is profiting off of being part of a lifestyle that has not done any good for our society and has done a lot of harm to innocent people. Not all of the mob's victims are criminals. They "shake down" honest business owners that are contributing to society, and take their hard earned money. Those people are victims and their money helped pay for Karens lifestyle so I think they in fact to have a right to be upset and oppose the book. Not only did they hand over their money to the mob and pay for them and their families lifestyles, but now its a spit in the face to them that someone is profiting off of the very same lifestyle that hurt them and took from their family. Now just reading these posts it looks like I'm probably going to be attacked for not agreeing with the author, however before jumping all over me just take the time to really think about it. Thanks for the blog...keep them coming.
"Now just reading these posts it looks like I'm probably going to be attacked for not agreeing with the author, however before jumping all over me just take the time to really think about it."
First if I disagree w/ someone on the internet it isn't attacking them. You were respectful in sharing your opinion.
To the world Sammy the Bull is a serial killer, mobster & informant. Though Karen became aware of who he was completely as a young adult. Though today she understands who her father was as a mobster, he is still the man who raised & loved her. He is her daddy.
Many forget she has a mother. Her bloodline isn't just all about Sammy the Bull. She knew Sammy in a different light than his victims and his associates. Why does her referencing her bloodline have to be about her father's criminal actions?
"Her father killed people and ratted to get off."
I'm not a fan of the lifestyle. I understand the lifestyle effects those who did not choose the lifestyle and are just innocent people. I am aware of the gangs with members building their credibility hoping to one day be mobsters have plenty of victims. There are countless victims and the crimes against them weren't & aren't right. Yet, the victims we are referencing in this post were all individuals who joined the lifestyle. They made a decision to partake in a life of crime. I've come in contact with the lifestyle. I made a choice. I decided to cut ties & LIVE. Yes, Mr. Gravano made a decision to cooperate to save his neck. I don't think it had to do with getting off. I don't know. I'm not inside the man's head. For him I believe it was a decision to live, he made a choice them or me. He chose, himself.
"before jumping all over me just take the time to really think about it"
Who says we haven't thought about it? Our thinking has nothing to do with jumping on you or anyone else. Thanks for commenting & have a wonderful day.
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's funny when people say things like "He was a killer and he was a rat!" Um, isn't it kind of a good thing to be a "rat"? That means, um, cooperating with the authorities to put other criminals behind bars. I'm not saying give anyone a medal for being an informer because they're still criminals too, I'm just saying "I got a problem with their crimes and I got a problem with ratting" is contradictory and doesn't make any sense.
I think Karen is referencing her bloodline like her father got the bull nickname because
he never gave up fighting when he was a kid. Yeah it is probably in poor taste, but all of them use violent imagery when they get mad.
Most of the people getting upset with Karen aren't innocent victims, they're hypocrites. And even for the innocent ones, she didn't ask to be born into this life. Anything she does is going to be helped by her childhood, with the money, the family, the name and whatever, but what is she supposed to do? Give up her life and go live in a box to atone for being born in the wrong place? How is a book any different from owning a spa where some people just go because they wanna see Sammy's daughter, the victims aren't gonna be happy no matter what she does. Many of the biggest fortunes in this country were built off slavery and other horrible crimes. It sucks, but you're going to have a hard time getting people to give up their own lives to atone for someone else's crimes and not spend those ill-gotten gains.
"Mob Mistress"
Thank you for your reply, and I should have used a better word than "attack" as that is a bit harsh. I enjoy reading your blogs, however some of the commentary and disagreements on here seem to get very personal. I wasn't necessarily referring to you when using the term attack, it just seems that some of your other readers and contributors take things a bit far when they don't like one's opinion and others jump on the bandwagon. It almost made me not want to leave my comment as I do not wish to take part in the back and forth nonsense of attacking one's character in order to prove a point.
Thanks again,
Nichole (I post as anonymous not to hide but I don't have an account to log in with)
Nichole,
I know things seem to get heated around here. Most of our commenters are great whatever their opinion. There are a few that come from other sites in an attempt to insult us. As far as downright disrespectful comments from this site's contributors...THAT'S ME! I'm the only one who just gives them my honest feeling of what they can go do w/ their B.S. The Underboss & Chiara are pretty tame.
We stopped posting comments we perceive as disrespectful to curb the back & forth. I hope this rectifies the situation.
Karen did not ask to be the daughter of a massive criminal.
She is, however, a walking contradiction.. To clarify: She has created an honest business and has written an autobiography about how she grew up on the innocent side of a criminal. When she became aware of her father's standing as she got older, her exposure led her down a similar path with the people she was introduced to.
Fast forward, she has reinvented HERSELF while surrounding herself with what is "familiar" to her... criminals... her child's father is an example.. she has clearly not moved as far forward as she'd like to believe.
I understand her desire to get her life turned around, but with "besties" like Ramona how does she really expect to be taken seriously? It causes her to flip-flop between her old self and the self she'd like to become.. For her to become indignant over people taking notice of the contradiction shows she hasn't matured as far either..
On a different note, our justice system has NEVER been about "fairness". It has always been about the story most perceived as true. It is sometimes about the greater catch.. which is why Sammy the Bull got so little time for all that he admitted to, he was offered less punishment in exchange for more catch.. that may not make victims feel better, but that's not what the courts are for. They never said they'd make you feel better.
I agree that Karen has a right to tell her story. She didn't commit ANY of the crimes that her father did.
We blame gang members but not their families. Why in the world would you blame Karen!?
In case you aren't aware? Gang members families actually support their dumbass kids.. they wear the "colors" of the gangs at home and help cover up their crimes... not by silence, but by actual help and aiding and abetting.. and I am not talking about generational gang members, I'm talking about their "innocent" family members...
Is this really how to honor the victims? By continuing to stay angry and hateful? Do you think they would really want you to live completely in the past chasing down the families of the criminals? I doubt it...
"In case you aren't aware? Gang members families actually support their dumbass kids.."
Not all gang members' families support their children's' criminal activities & gang involvement. I am aware of parents turning their children in. I am aware of parents uprooting the family & moving in attempt to get their children away from a certain element. I am equally aware of parents who cut all the ties with the child who went down the wrong path.
I don't see how Karen is a contradiction. She grew up within a lifestyle. She remained connected to the lifestyle her entire life in one way or the other. She chose to break the law. She then started to work legally. She has move forward. Mob Wives came along and more business opportunities flourished. At the end of the day, it's simply a show.
None of the Mob Wives have killed anyone. They are perfect. Yet they are entertaining.
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